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May 11, 2021 3:21 AM
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Amazing eps...I really want to cry, man...this anime has many amazing morale values...everybody can become an angel or a demon, it depends on their choice and yeah, Satu is really lucky to meet Yoshida and Asami, really important phase of her life...
May 11, 2021 4:04 AM
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Literally punched the screen watching this episode. My homie Yoshida should've beaten that rapist pedophile Yaguchi's ass. I get it you can't call cops but he can't either. They should've beat his ass and throw him into thrash.

And Sayu still talking to that rapist after what happened... What is your problem girl? And Yoshida still letting her go to that job with that rapist. Man this is nuts.
May 11, 2021 4:09 AM

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nice bunch of little coincidences to move forward, rape attempt? No biggie, a laugh will sort everything


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May 11, 2021 4:10 AM
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Mal users be like

Sayu almost got raped: fck this is disgusting
Madara killed many shinobi: wow this is great

Double standard everywhere
May 11, 2021 4:53 AM

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Yoshida should have just beaten the crap out of Yaguchi tbh
May 11, 2021 5:19 AM

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firstawahono said:
Mal users be like

Sayu almost got raped: fck this is disgusting
Madara killed many shinobi: wow this is great

Double standard everywhere


I'm not really sure you can compare those two things... but if anything, I know twitter is going to love this Yaguchi dude.
May 11, 2021 5:35 AM
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Gab5 said:


I'm not going to defend the guy because he came on too strong, but, at the end, Sayu had to say 'go ahead', after all this time, she still decided that the best thing was to give in to him. This is partly due to the fact that her and Yoshida are in such a strange situation.

And how long are people going to let Yoshida say he doesn't know why he is helping her? He ought to start working it out, before it is impossible to get rid of her. If he ends up with her, and waited till she was 18 or 19 to have sex with Sayu, is he much better? Sayu said it herself, she had sex with Yaguchi loads of times. He was wrong this time but he wasn't raping her before. It isn't either/or, Yaguchi is bad so Yoshida must be great. Yoshida still doesn't seem to realise that he is already in a relationship with a 17 year old.


I'm not defending the guy either. I just agree that Yoshida isn't this shining white knight that he sees himself to be. Regardless of his intention, the fact remains that Yoshida took in a teenager without informing her parents. Yaguchi said that they're both criminal, and in the end, is he really wrong about it?

Don't get me wrong, it's nuance like this that makes me like the show more.


Yes, I totally agree with you and realised that you weren't defending him.

He's not wrong at all, and everyone in the show, at some point, has asked Yoshida what he is doing and he can't answer any of them. Which is why Asami can slap Yaguchi and Yoshida can't do much at all, because Asami's motives are clear and they are to protect Sayu with no possible confusion that there is anything in it for her. Can Yoshida say that? I'm amazed that people are still convinced that he is such a great guy. They put Yaguchi in there to make him look good but, by the end, there might not be much difference between them. Bad guys can still speak the truth and good guys can still lie to themselves and everyone else. As you say, it is the nuance that makes it interesting.

I wonder how many people will say that Yoshida is a great guy if Sayu ends up with him when she is 18 or 19 years old? If he didn't see the possibility of that at the beginning he is incredibly dumb. If he did, then his talk at the beginning was just for show. He has a damaged and frightened youngster living in his flat as a virtual housewife. What did he think would happen if he took her in and was kind to her?

May 11, 2021 5:36 AM

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not gonna lie , sayu x asami is perfect couple !!!
May 11, 2021 5:39 AM
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Asami is a great character.

No Gotou though so ehh... It was an okay episode I guess?


Well, at least it spared us the 'Gotou is up to something' business for one week. No doubt it will be back in force next week. It would have been interesting if they had shown us the reaction of his work colleagues when he decided he needed to go home suddenly to deal with a problem. Considering that three of his colleagues had warned him of this.
May 11, 2021 6:03 AM

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What a fantastic episode, the first like 5 or 6 minutes of Yaguchi had me so uncomfortable man, I hate him so much. But, I gotta say that his character is well done, even kind of realistic, he wasn't pure evil or anything like that. At the very least he kept his word of not telling anyone, but still, fuck that bitch. You can't really tell the police about him too or Yoshida will be fucked as well. So, I guess this is the most favorable outcome.

Asami is so awesome, such a great friend to Sayu, I hope she becomes a successful author. The scene at the end with the stars is very beautiful. Sayu protection squad rise up. Is that young Gotou and Yoshida in the picture at the end there or am I trippin. Really looking forward to the next episode!
May 11, 2021 6:27 AM

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This anime is now crossing it limit to be honest I didn't like this episode at all except Sayu X Yoshida movement which was really wholesome
May 11, 2021 6:41 AM
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Overdramatized melodrama...also sayu speaks the same shit so much that its getting annoying...I feel like this anime is trying so hard to be a lot of things but its not exactly hitting the mark...The way how characters reacts in this show really wierds me out..no one feels like a real person...but it is an anime..lol..and its not booring
May 11, 2021 6:51 AM
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I just want to say that i want see more of drama with the dude.

But, un-fuckin-turnately, he just back down in no time, after the chad saving Sayu ass, like a flash. The dude had a good point with all of his wise words to the chad. Too bad, the dude also being a dissapointment for me by being a jerk only a couple of minutes long, and then become a complete normal side character again after that. I know, if maybe the author just wanna tell the good lesson, under their statements, even if it get more additional states from Asami. But, as far as i am concern about the drama thing that this show really need to get more of it, this episode really an underwhelming part of that. Its just because to stay true to being a wholesome?

The only good part of the episode just them letting me know more about Asami background, which is a good thing to add with about character development. However, imho, the episode left with nothing rather than make Sayu more comfortable, around Yoshida the chad, at those room house. As if the future of Sayu will be nothing apart than always be with Yoshida, forever. Its just too obvious, right?

But, enough with that thing. I just really change my focus more about Sayu's high school past, really. Lets see if somehow the next later chapter will bring it up, somehow....
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May 11, 2021 6:59 AM

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Please holy can i punch him thou >:>
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May 11, 2021 7:01 AM

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Asami is such an MVP. I really appreciate her as part of this story. She brings something in Sayu's life that Yoshida can't.

Shes the kind of person everyone needs as a friend.

Asami this episode has been one of my favorite parts of this anime, like top 3

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May 11, 2021 7:40 AM
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I would beaten Yaguchi half to death, no hesitation.
Nevertheless, Yoshida and Asami just became my heroes.
May 11, 2021 7:54 AM

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This is what I mean how Higehiro should be like, remove romance and harem antics.
just a Sayu drama dealing with her past and Yoshida being a wholesome daddy than a lover.
maybe Mishima or Gotou fill role as mother
k, imma gonna disappear
May 11, 2021 8:03 AM

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SunHater-NoRoman said:
This is what I mean how Higehiro should be like, remove romance and harem antics.
just a Sayu drama dealing with her past and Yoshida being a wholesome daddy than a lover.
maybe Mishima or Gotou fill role as mother
I also feel the same , but many people here in mal people will start endless argument to prove that romantic relation fit well in this anime
May 11, 2021 8:38 AM

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I wanna kick Yaguchi in the balls, he deserves it.
May 11, 2021 9:07 AM
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There is a problem when Sayu has to say 'go ahead' to this creep because she is protecting Yoshida. Has that not occured to him?
May 11, 2021 9:15 AM

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Yeah, it would be bad if she was being sexually assaulted at home. But let's be honest, if this show has any intention of being realistic, letting a predator free is far more dangerous than her being sent back home.[/quote]

Yeah no. We still have no idea what happened to her at home so you can't say that.

Plus, Yoshida doesn't even know if she is really safe since he doesn't know Yoguchi real intentions.


He doesn't HAVE any "true intentions". lol

@Gab5

Um....explain how falling in love with an adult makes you a bad person? Yes, Yoshida is still a great guy even if/when he falls for Sayu.
Why?
Because he puts her needs first in his life.



May 11, 2021 9:19 AM
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Yeah, it would be bad if she was being sexually assaulted at home. But let's be honest, if this show has any intention of being realistic, letting a predator free is far more dangerous than her being sent back home.


Yeah no. We still have no idea what happened to her at home so you can't say that.

Plus, Yoshida doesn't even know if she is really safe since he doesn't know Yoguchi real intentions.




He doesn't HAVE any "true intentions". lol

@Gab5

Um....explain how falling in love with an adult makes you a bad person? Yes, Yoshida is still a great guy even if/when he falls for Sayu.
Why?
Because he puts her needs first in his life.

No one is calling anyone a bad person or saying who can or can't fall in love. But you can't have one rule for Yoshida and another for the rest of the world. Sorry, who did I say was a bad person again?
May 11, 2021 9:23 AM

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But you can't have one rule for Yoshida and another for the rest of the world.


Are you seriously claiming "There's no difference between all the men who raped Sayu as a teenager and Yoshida if he falls in love with her as she grows older?"

Because that's what it sounds like.



May 11, 2021 9:29 AM
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Chiibi said:
Gab5 said:
But you can't have one rule for Yoshida and another for the rest of the world.


Are you seriously claiming "There's no difference between all the men who raped Sayu as a teenager and Yoshida if he falls in love with her as she grows older?"

Because that's what it sounds like.


No, I'm not claiming that, even if you think it sounds like that.

What I am saying is that Sayu doesn't know anything, she was willing to let Yaguchi abuse her to protect Yoshida, that isn't healthy. What I am also claiming is that going from one guy's house to the next and then falling in love with the first guy who is not a creep probably isn't the healthiest thing in the world. Would you want your sister to do that cos Yoshida is such a top guy? She doesn't know anything and it's too soon.

There's a big difference between there's no difference between them and maybe she should hold her horses after everything that has happened to her. Yoshida is not going to disappear. But when she feels she has to agree to some guys advances to not cause trouble, that can't be a good situation. Regardless of whether Yoshida is a god or not.
May 11, 2021 9:31 AM

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Well, DUR. Yoshida and Sayu both know that...which is why she agreed to go back home when she is ready to face her fears.



May 11, 2021 9:38 AM
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Chiibi said:
@Gab5

Well, DUR. Yoshida and Sayu both know that...which is why she agreed to go back home when she is ready to face her fears.


Well, DUR, it is a bit late if Yaguchi had got his way, isn't it? If Asami did not tell him that there was a creepy guy at work, he would have been too late. She agreed that after the event. If Yoshida knows it so much, why does he always falter when people ask him what the hell he is doing?

Ok, what do Yoshida and Sayu know? Let's compare when the story ends.
May 11, 2021 9:50 AM

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Chiibi said:
@Gab5

Well, DUR. Yoshida and Sayu both know that...which is why she agreed to go back home when she is ready to face her fears.


Well, DUR, it is a bit late if Yaguchi had got his way, isn't it? If Asami did not tell him that there was a creepy guy at work, he would have been too late. She agreed that after the event. If Yoshida knows it so much, why does he always falter when people ask him what the hell he is doing?


When I said 'Yoshida knows that', I meant "He knows she needs to go HOME eventually". Not that he always knows how to best handle a situation concerning Sayu when it pops up. It's quite obvious he doesn't.

Ok, what do Yoshida and Sayu know? Let's compare when the story ends.


Yes, we will do that. But for one thing, Sayu now understands she should not sleep with guys in exchange for shelter.



May 11, 2021 9:56 AM
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I think there's some problem about this episode. I'm gonna make a list.

Feel free to correct me. I'm not that kind of person that will be angry because someone corrects them;

1. First of all, How Yoshida-san knew about the creepy guy and Sayu was in the house? In this episode, it was not answered. (I really hopes in the next episodes we get the answer)
2. The way Yoshida handled the creepy guy when he caught him; I don't really think that Yoshida-san really is adult inside. If it's some adult guy found out about it, I'm pretty sure they will beaten the guy especially when he confessed that he did asked about the sex and seeing Sayu-chan not comfortable with it when he saw them. It's just so disappointing seeing Yoshida-san having a mental breakdown talking with the younger guy.
3. Why the heck Sayu-chan laughed when she talked with that creepy guy? I'm pretty sure she has a trauma about it. How can you laughed about it? Saying "You really such a weird guy" WHY!? HOW!?

I will answer your first point, because the anime skipped it due to time constraints. Asami had already mentioned to Yoshida that there was a creepy senpai (a womanizer) in the convenience store, so Yoshida suspected something was wrong and decided to leave work early.
May 11, 2021 9:58 AM
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Chiibi said:
Gab5 said:


Well, DUR, it is a bit late if Yaguchi had got his way, isn't it? If Asami did not tell him that there was a creepy guy at work, he would have been too late. She agreed that after the event. If Yoshida knows it so much, why does he always falter when people ask him what the hell he is doing?


When I said 'Yoshida knows that', I meant "He knows she needs to go HOME eventually". Not that he always knows how to best handle a situation concerning Sayu when it pops up. It's quite obvious he doesn't.

Ok, what do Yoshida and Sayu know? Let's compare when the story ends.


Yes, we will do that. But for one thing, Sayu now understands she should not sleep with guys in exchange for shelter.


I'm glad that she has learned that finally and also learned that she doesn't need to do it to protect Yoshida, he's a grown man and made his choice, like he said. He has a few issues of his own to sort out. Looking forward to seeing how he deals with it all.
May 11, 2021 10:32 AM

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Man I was on rage the whole I saw that fucker and let me tell you I will not forgive him even if he begged or cry or whatever, I will beat the shit out of that asshole (especially when he tried to rape Sayu)

Thank goodness Yoshida and Asami was there to protect her
May 11, 2021 12:38 PM

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Chiibi said:

Plus, Yoshida doesn't even know if she is really safe since he doesn't know Yoguchi real intentions.


He doesn't HAVE any "true intentions". lol
You know he doesn't have intentions because you have read the ln. I think Yoshida is a character, right? Or does he also have the ln book in his house? He can't know if Yaguchi will do something, so a REAL person would think about that and try to do something other than living his life just as usual like nothing has happened.

But i guess this show doesn't have any intentions of creating good written characters.
May 11, 2021 12:40 PM
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😭🥰

What a shockingly wonderful series this is turning out to be. Unequal characters with a love and endearing bond that is often overlooked in main stream anime/manga.

I can’t wait to see how they survive this impossible journey
Really , how will this go without him going to prison.

It’s interesting how all the main characters are discovering things about themselves they never knew existed.
May 11, 2021 12:43 PM

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Chiibi said:



He doesn't HAVE any "true intentions". lol
You know he doesn't have intentions because you have read the ln. I think Yoshida is a character, right? Or does he also have the ln book in his house? He can't know if Yaguchi will do something, so a REAL person would think about that and try to do something other than living his life just as usual like nothing has happened.

But i guess this show doesn't have any intentions of creating good written characters.


Oh blahblahblah lol

YES, Yoshida is a good character...but what do you expect him to do, exactly?

Japan's laws about attempted rape aren't the same as the USA...it's not like a person can accuse another of it without proof that it happened. They don't have any proof aside from Sayu saying so.

And Yaguchi doesn't want to go to jail so do you think he'd confess?



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Some random thoughts on another great episode:

Yaguchi is shaping up to be a great character, and I'm looking forward to seeing more of him. Even before the additional context on his background (thank you @Chiibi for that) there were inferences made in his dialogue to Yoshida that demonstrated he was something more than just being a two-dimensional Mr. Evil Rapey Guy. A few people in this thread have lamented that Yaguchi spoke some truth-isms at the end, how dare the show humanize a rapist. Well, this might be shocking to some... but people who do really bad things are humans too? And they don't typically go around acting like cartoon villians all day? And that generally good people can still do bad things, and generally bad people can sometimes do good things. You know, like I've said several times these past few weeks, life is messy. Anyway, Yaguchi strikes me as the show's "Mr. Practical" and all the good and bad things a worldview like that entails.

And since no one has brought it up yet - and again, I like Yoshida as a person and a character but to be fair - he uttered a bald-faced lie to Yaguchi. He couldn't force Sayu to go back home? One swift, covert call to police would've taken care of all that. And it arguably would have been the "right" thing to do, although I concede that there would have been no story after that, haha. It's okay Yoshida, you have a very sympathetic and pretty girl on your doorstep that needs help, and you are trying to do many of the right things, so I understand. But don't think I didn't notice you're keeping that door cracked open... don't get too self-righteous there...

Also as an anime-only, and also since no one else has brought it up, you know what this show doesn't have yet? I'm waiting for a healthy love interest to come along for Sayu. I'm figuring it has to happen sooner or later, not to be tropey, but it really would be good for the story. Make the love rival a really good dude who arguably accurately but quite possibly also out of jealousy not really approve of Yoshida's tactics. I fully look forward to someone like that. Let's make all the full-bore Yoshida lovers feel conflicted! I'm ready for it.
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May 11, 2021 1:37 PM

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This episode pretty much determines what direction this anime is headed, overall an extremely serious episode with some good character developments and wholesome moments. I was at the edge of my seat the whole time. I'm still disgusted at the fact that Yaguchi tried to force his way with Sayu when she literally refused beforehand. I'm glad Yoshida showed up and threw Yaguchi's ass out of the apartment. Yaguchi is literally the definition of scum of the earth.
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Jesus, people here really overreacted to the "rape" scene (which wasn't actual rape since nothing happened in the end), im not gonna lie though, it's funny to see people cursing on a fictional character and saying they will drop the series just because of it, actually better that way, less toxicity to deal with in these threads.

May 11, 2021 3:18 PM

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What a snorefest, took me 3 days to finish this episode.

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May 11, 2021 4:52 PM
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I've never been so physically angry at an anime episode that much before.. Truly disgusting acts some people might do without hesitation. Thank you Yoshida for being such a responsible gentleman.
May 11, 2021 6:11 PM

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Well things between Sayu and that one guy went about as poorly as I expected it to.

I still have no idea why she brought him back to her place without telling anyone else. I highly doubt that he really would have told anyone about their history because he would have incriminated himself. Why did Yoshida race back to the apartment too? She didn’t really indicate to him that she was in danger or was with another guy. It’s not like perfect girl Asami told him what was actually happening.

Also, now they are trying to make the rapist into a “respectable/likeable” character? As if someone that just tried to rape a girl would all of a sudden feel some regret or stick to some arbitrary principles.

The writing in this series certainly has not gotten better so far.
May 11, 2021 7:38 PM

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Recently I read a notice that the author of this anime say that "Please do not imitate whst the characters of the story do".

Is Sayu's past so hard that nobody has to know about it? Now I am more curious about this.
May 11, 2021 9:09 PM

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Yoshida once again becoming Sayu hero. I'm glad Sayu finally found people who will protect her, despite how disgusting her past is.

Speaking of her past, I wonder why Sayu ran away. I mean, for 6 months her family didnt even file a missing person case. She maybe had a sex scandal in her school or something hence her family castaway her. Thats explains why she becomes prostitute in Tokyo. I'm just glad she didnt became pregnant considering she done it a lot of times. (if it explained in the manga why she ran away, pls dont spoil me lol)

Also,

I wonder how awesome Sayu in the bed considering she is so experienced. Virgin Yoshida will be dominated lmao.
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Did anyone else feel disturbed by the fact that after the whole sexual assault sequence, they tried to play the Yaguchi dude as a trustworthy guy and "not-so-bad" for keeping his word of not telling anyone about Sayu's past? It's like they totally forgot that if Yoshida didn't come back home he would've totally raped Sayu. Sitting through that sequence was kinda disturbing.

Really sweet episode other than that.
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So many repeated questions - due to excessive cut content in the adaptation.

So without trying to spoil anything.

They cut out the entire section where Yaguchi's personality was explained from the LN.

Asami described him as a "ManWhore" - the story goes, he had seven girlfriends on the go at once and then picked Sayu up. He was abusing her regularly as compensation for providing a roof over her head. When one of his girlfriends wanted to come round he threw Sayu out without a second thought as she was an inconvenience. The girlfriends found out he was cheating and they all dumped him, so he's currently single. He had recently moved into the area and was actively on the lookout for another "Runaway" as he could do what he pleased with them and they wouldn't object.

Basically he sees all women/girls as sex toys for him to enjoy - without having to put any effort in to keep them.

Yoshida's turning up at the flat - He got the initial text from Sayu and with the warning he'd had from Asami, texted her back to see if she was OK and got no reply. He started worrying and decided to leave work early to check if she was OK (which he never-ever does, I don't know if there will be any fallout from Gotou and Mishima seeing him rush out of the office). there's a whole section where he's working out what he should do as he's on the train back home that was skipped.

There was additional dialogue between Sayu and Yaguchi skipped and some added that simplified why she let him in and what happened before he pinned her down - but nothing major.

When Yoshida turns up and throws him out there was more cut including one of the neighbours coming out to see what the disturbance was.

The conversation in the office was adapted badly - she didn't laugh in the LN.

The bit at the end where Sayu and Asami look at the stars, in the LN Asami has collected her bike from the house and they cycled there - she tells Sayu you can walk somewhere but it's easier to cycle. inferring a journey is easier if you have assistance.

And Yoshida isn't a virgin, he's just been single for a long time (At least the time Gotou has known him at work, which is about 5 Years).
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Asami is best girl!!!!! Isn’t she the sweetest. I’m so glad she appeared in Sayu’s life. They need each other. I started tearing up when they were walking & Sayu decided to open up to her, and vice versa.

Definitely a heavy episode but some parts definitely felt forced & rushed. Especially with the dealing of Yaguchi‘s character. It also felt like they just brushed Sayu’s trauma aside? As if it were just a plot device to develop the whole IwanttostaylongerwithuYoshida!!!!!Uprotectedme!!!! Sure, Yaguchi’s not the only guy to have used her but she almost seemed way too unbothered by him at the end lol

Highlight of the episode was definitely Sayu & Asami’s friendship. Too precious!







but i’ll probably remember over and over again
you were there and everyone else was there
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It felt like a hate crime watching this episode.
May 12, 2021 8:59 AM
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I feel like this anime has lost its original flair that made it unique. I'm simply not enjoying it as much anymore. It's ok, but it lost so much hype for me, especially since rape was attempted. Anything with that shit in makes the anime feel so much worse. Also, I hated that they tried to give Yaguchi some weird redemption by making his apology and his promise to Sayu seem like things were better. They are not. He is an attempted rapist and doesn't deserve that sort of limelight.
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Well that was a relief. I was scared about this episode i saw the bad stuff coming, and was afraid it might descend into trite exploitation of the subject but...the author and director did great. we had another fine episode of mature and realistic and humane interaction. I like all of the characters except for the sleezeball guy in this one, and it was a pleasure to see the positive development. and by the way it leaves any and all possible outcomes open and available. which makes for an exciting show thru all of its length.

well done



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kiwixcoke said:
Magical_Bananana said:
Did anyone else feel disturbed by the fact that after the whole sexual assault sequence, they tried to play the Yaguchi dude as a trustworthy guy and "not-so-bad" for keeping his word of not telling anyone about Sayu's past? It's like they totally forgot that if Yoshida didn't come back home he would've totally raped Sayu. Sitting through that sequence was kinda disturbing.

Really sweet episode other than that.


Yeah.. I was expecting Yoshida to beat the shit out of him after hearing all that.


After re-watching the episode and reading between the lines of Yaguchi & Sayu two viewpoints came to mind.

- For Yaguchi his point of view was he was trying to relive the days when he had Sayu and played all the cards right to get her to bring him to her place. He had the leverage back then when he let Sayu stay at his place in exchange for the "favors" he enjoyed. Since he no longer had Sayu staying at his place he no longer had the advantages going for him so he was left with a lot of posturing and bluffing to emotionally overpower Sayu. A horny man will go to great lengths to sleep with a girl he already had just to see if he could do it again. for old time sake

- For Sayu her side shows her trying her very best to move on and forget her past. A past that was dark, humiliating and regrettable that she felt she was powerless to prevent at that time. She feels an overwhelming shame and desperation to keep it a secret from the people she holds dear but doesn't know whether to trust them completely with the truth. This uncertainty is what opened the door for Yaguchi to almost have his way again because Sayu wanted to protect her dear friends from her past she surrendered to that power she thought she had no strength to fight it. It was only then she realized that she has something she never had back then... she has friends. Friends that will fight, protect, guide and rely on moving forward.
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Phantasy_Starved said:

Yaguchi is shaping up to be a great character, and I'm looking forward to seeing more of him. Even before the additional context on his background (thank you @Chiibi for that) there were inferences made in his dialogue to Yoshida that demonstrated he was something more than just being a two-dimensional Mr. Evil Rapey Guy. A few people in this thread have lamented that Yaguchi spoke some truth-isms at the end, how dare the show humanize a rapist. Well, this might be shocking to some... but people who do really bad things are humans too? And they don't typically go around acting like cartoon villians all day? And that generally good people can still do bad things, and generally bad people can sometimes do good things. You know, like I've said several times these past few weeks, life is messy. Anyway, Yaguchi strikes me as the show's "Mr. Practical" and all the good and bad things a worldview like that entails.

There are several things I strongly disagree in that part

a) There is nothing great about Yagushi. He only kept the promise when breaking it wouldn't gain him anything except possible revenge, because he broke the previous one about "only talking" immediately as soon as he saw chance for gain in form of sex. That just makes him a not-dumb villain, nothing honorable in it.

b) Humanizing rapists is bad, yes. We already know bad people are humans too, they have pets and even family, it's nothing revolutionary - even Bond villain had his white cat, and I've heard Hitler was vegan, so what? The problem in show is in suggesting that by keeping his promise he is somehow three-dimensional not-so-bad guy, and making Sayu talk to him like he only drunkenly kissed her before or somethink minor like that. FFS, if he did rape Sayu but used a condom after she asked, or raped her but didn't murder her after she threatened to call police on him would you still claim it shows his three-dimensionality? So he kept the promise, maybe even he didn't kick a puppy on his way back, are we meant to be impressed? It trivialize the rape attempt by that shitty comparison of morality of raping a girl vs keeping one promise, that is the problem with that

If anything, anime/manga has already far too many characters shown first as completely evil it then tries to clumsily redeem by showing a tear-jerking backstory episode or suddenly giving one minor moral line they don't cross, and then it's time for honorable death scene or alliance with the MCs. Abusive parents that almost drove kid to suicide? They just loved their kid very much but were slightly misguided. Committed a genocide? They were a past and still potential danger to my country and it makes it ok. I'd rather stick with cartoon villains in that case, thank you very much. There are examples of well-rounded, actually 3-D villains, but there are far too rare for my taste, and no, Yaguchi doesn't classify.

There is also additional problem, maybe even main one - previous paragraph was a bit of my personal rant - with how easily rape attempt is brushed away in anime/manga. Domestic Girlfriend also had interrupted rape attempt, after which victim said almost same thing - "I will be mad if you ever do it again". We're thankfully past the era of shojo love interests that try to rape the heroine - it's now the realm of josei smut mostly - but we still have plenty of sexual predators that get away with flick to the nose or maybe some beatings - police is very rarely involved. That Higehiro also fits here makes me furious - Yaguchi may have not realized, but he could potentially break Sayu completely just as she started to recover, making her feel like she will never be safe again or have chance of normal life. What's the point of focusing of some *positive* aspect of him, why have Sayu be half-OK with him after what he's done?

c) Yoshida doesn't really do anything wrong with Sayu, and raping a runaway girl is in no way comparable with giving her shelter, so Yaguchi's whole dialogue is completely unneeded. All it did was give us another scene of new character *yet again* talking about how weird or noble it is that Yoshida doesn't want to fuck Sayu, is it eight or ninth time already? I think I will puke next time someone repeats that.

Phantasy_Starved said:

And since no one has brought it up yet - and again, I like Yoshida as a person and a character but to be fair - he uttered a bald-faced lie to Yaguchi. He couldn't force Sayu to go back home? One swift, covert call to police would've taken care of all that.

I understood it more as "couldn't" in sense it would be immoral to do until she is ready for that, which is pretty common usage of that world.
Phantasy_Starved said:

Also as an anime-only, and also since no one else has brought it up, you know what this show doesn't have yet? I'm waiting for a healthy love interest to come along for Sayu. I'm figuring it has to happen sooner or later, not to be tropey, but it really would be good for the story. Make the love rival a really good dude who arguably accurately but quite possibly also out of jealousy not really approve of Yoshida's tactics. I fully look forward to someone like that. Let's make all the full-bore Yoshida lovers feel conflicted! I'm ready for it.

I'm not sure if Sayu is really ready for having love interest at this point. She needs to regain confidence in herself and become self-reliant, which means she needs to resolve her family situation one way or another, start going to school or, if she decides to completely part ways with her family, go homeschool route find job she can support herself without living in Yoshida's flat - if it's possible for teenager in Japan. Without that she will be too reliant on her boyfriend which is not good for relationship with traumatized person.
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Bear_from_cave said:
Phantasy_Starved said:

Yaguchi is shaping up to be a great character, and I'm looking forward to seeing more of him. Even before the additional context on his background (thank you @Chiibi for that) there were inferences made in his dialogue to Yoshida that demonstrated he was something more than just being a two-dimensional Mr. Evil Rapey Guy. A few people in this thread have lamented that Yaguchi spoke some truth-isms at the end, how dare the show humanize a rapist. Well, this might be shocking to some... but people who do really bad things are humans too? And they don't typically go around acting like cartoon villians all day? And that generally good people can still do bad things, and generally bad people can sometimes do good things. You know, like I've said several times these past few weeks, life is messy. Anyway, Yaguchi strikes me as the show's "Mr. Practical" and all the good and bad things a worldview like that entails.

There are several things I strongly disagree in that part

a) There is nothing great about Yagushi. He only kept the promise when breaking it wouldn't gain him anything except possible revenge, because he broke the previous one about "only talking" immediately as soon as he saw chance for gain in form of sex. That just makes him a not-dumb villain, nothing honorable in it.

b) Humanizing rapists is bad, yes. We already know bad people are humans too, they have pets and even family, it's nothing revolutionary - even Bond villain had his white cat, and I've heard Hitler was vegan, so what? The problem in show is in suggesting that by keeping his promise he is somehow three-dimensional not-so-bad guy, and making Sayu talk to him like he only drunkenly kissed her before or somethink minor like that. FFS, if he did rape Sayu but used a condom after she asked, or raped her but didn't murder her after she threatened to call police on him would you still claim it shows his three-dimensionality? So he kept the promise, maybe even he didn't kick a puppy on his way back, are we meant to be impressed? It trivialize the rape attempt by that shitty comparison of morality of raping a girl vs keeping one promise, that is the problem with that

If anything, anime/manga has already far too many characters shown first as completely evil it then tries to clumsily redeem by showing a tear-jerking backstory episode or suddenly giving one minor moral line they don't cross, and then it's time for honorable death scene or alliance with the MCs. Abusive parents that almost drove kid to suicide? They just loved their kid very much but were slightly misguided. Committed a genocide? They were a past and still potential danger to my country and it makes it ok. I'd rather stick with cartoon villains in that case, thank you very much. There are examples of well-rounded, actually 3-D villains, but there are far too rare for my taste, and no, Yaguchi doesn't classify.

There is also additional problem, maybe even main one - previous paragraph was a bit of my personal rant - with how easily rape attempt is brushed away in anime/manga. Domestic Girlfriend also had interrupted rape attempt, after which victim said almost same thing - "I will be mad if you ever do it again". We're thankfully past the era of shojo love interests that try to rape the heroine - it's now the realm of josei smut mostly - but we still have plenty of sexual predators that get away with flick to the nose or maybe some beatings - police is very rarely involved. That Higehiro also fits here makes me furious - Yaguchi may have not realized, but he could potentially break Sayu completely just as she started to recover, making her feel like she will never be safe again or have chance of normal life. What's the point of focusing of some *positive* aspect of him, why have Sayu be half-OK with him after what he's done?

c) Yoshida doesn't really do anything wrong with Sayu, and raping a runaway girl is in no way comparable with giving her shelter, so Yaguchi's whole dialogue is completely unneeded. All it did was give us another scene of new character *yet again* talking about how weird or noble it is that Yoshida doesn't want to fuck Sayu, is it eight or ninth time already? I think I will puke next time someone repeats that.

Phantasy_Starved said:

And since no one has brought it up yet - and again, I like Yoshida as a person and a character but to be fair - he uttered a bald-faced lie to Yaguchi. He couldn't force Sayu to go back home? One swift, covert call to police would've taken care of all that.

I understood it more as "couldn't" in sense it would be immoral to do until she is ready for that, which is pretty common usage of that world.
Phantasy_Starved said:

Also as an anime-only, and also since no one else has brought it up, you know what this show doesn't have yet? I'm waiting for a healthy love interest to come along for Sayu. I'm figuring it has to happen sooner or later, not to be tropey, but it really would be good for the story. Make the love rival a really good dude who arguably accurately but quite possibly also out of jealousy not really approve of Yoshida's tactics. I fully look forward to someone like that. Let's make all the full-bore Yoshida lovers feel conflicted! I'm ready for it.

I'm not sure if Sayu is really ready for having love interest at this point. She needs to regain confidence in herself and become self-reliant, which means she needs to resolve her family situation one way or another, start going to school or, if she decides to completely part ways with her family, go homeschool route find job she can support herself without living in Yoshida's flat - if it's possible for teenager in Japan. Without that she will be too reliant on her boyfriend which is not good for relationship with traumatized person.


Hi Bear! Thank you for the conversation. However, a lot of your post was spent strawmanning things I didn't say, so instead of getting into the same arguments that have been rehashed dozens of times already, I'll just restate my points and then we'll agree to disagree on the rest.

I never praised Saguchi as a person, I said he's got the potential to be a great character. That's a huge difference. His ultra-realist outlook on life already has contributed a different view on things, even if he is a douche. You're already dismissing him as a bad villian after a half an episode? Either that's premature or you've read ahead or something.

You seemed really insistent in explaining to me rape is bad? And I shouldn't criticize Yoshida because Yaguchi is worse? I'm sorry my friend, but I will waste no more time responding to takes like that.

Yaguchi's laugh in response to Yoshida's statement is very telling. I will agree that his choice to take Sayu in was understandable, empathic, and perhaps even correct. But you're agreeing that he had no other options? Nothing else he could do? It would be immoral to call the police, really? I'm not convinced.

Your points about why Sayu might not be ready for a love interest yet is all true and precisely why it would be interesting in the story. Thank you for beautifully making my point. Cheers!
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