My mum who was born in 1942 says she remembers being at the dance halls when the Kray twins would come in, they were like celebrities. You didn't approach them, you just stayed out of their way.
I was living in Walthamstow when reg died and watching his procession past was like nothing I've seen before. I've had a slight obsession evil since of their story. LEGEND is fantastic
Tom Hardy played both the Kray twins and Charles Bronson. In fact, while Bronson was in a mental asylum, he met the twins and described them as “the nicest guys he ever met”.
@@coffeecrimegal5968 he, absolutely was! Played both of them in such a detailed and creative way my mum thought it was 2 different actors playing them! Brilliant performances 👌🏻👌🏻💯💫
I don't condone what they did to people that was appalling. But they were fascinating 🤔 because they their so famous for being identical twins 🙄 I enjoy following social history documentaries.
Post war Britain the East end was the worst hit if u can't have it u take it no coincidence that the greatest robberies carried out by east Londoners if u cant have it u take it
I have not read all the comments. At about 10:00 minutes into the video, there is a photograph of three persons with one of the Kray twins in the center. I notice in this image the woman to the right. She appears to be Christine Keeler, who, during the early 1960s, was involved in a relationship with John Profumo. At the time, John Profumo was married to Valerie Hobson, a British film star from the 1930s through the 1950s. Profumo was also Secretary of State for War, and the resultant scandal, thought to involve national security, was extensively covered by the press and forced Profumo's resignation.
I grew up in Bethnal Green in the years following the Krays' incarceration, and I can confirm that in some quarters, they are still revered and considered heroes, rather than the bloodthirsty murderers they were
@Public Nuisance I agree the movie gets too much praise . It was more like a tragic love story than a gangster film. If they had cut the wife out and made it all about the Krays crimes and violence it would have been a classic
Like any criminals their time at the top never lasted forever. When you get involved in that lifestyle you never win , you either end up in prison or being killed by someone wanting your perch. I agree with Eddie Richardson , they would have flogged Ronnie and Reggie
Rob no one lasts for ever, none of us are here for ever. But America is going down hill fast you just kill each other in the thousands each weekend and these are ordinary people walking the streets because Democrats love it you have the biggest Gangster in America who set women up to make out they had sex with famous people, now their lawyer is in jail and Stormy owes President Trump a fortune. The Russian collusion and corruption all crap, Russian Prostitutes being peed on all made up crap, Hillary and her fake dossier more crap, the Capitol fake crap made up by Pelosi and the FBI. Strozk and lover working for the FBI betraying a President working in Taxpayers time trying to destroy him all those criminals are walking free. No government should be wasting tax payers money. Trump was a great guy to them when he was a democrat, soon as he became a Republican the knives came out. Like Oprah she used him on her shows people loved him but she is a democrat out came the knives when he became a Republican, Whoopie Goldberg was good friends with Trump but now he is a Republican she hates his guts and many other awful movie stars, look a Will Smith a complete fruit cake, Ricky Jervis took the piss out of all of you no one slapped him in the face, It took a black bloke to smack another black bloke in the face, just like BLM burnt down America killing and looting we Allies are not surprised they kill each other in the thousands in a month. Gradually America is falling apart with the help of the creatures of Hollywood. It's all a load of bollocks at the taxpayers expense. Trump was the best thing that happened to America look what you have now Biden. Allies are not happy.
Without a doubt. That punishment did go on, the Cat. Corprol punishment was evil. The poor were the whipping boy's for authorities, literally. From the polices, court's, prison, school's , the street's, home. Violence is part of survival when poor, then and now.
@@Dmc841 course you can but I don't think he was ever " in prison " with them he visited Reggie just like Courtney and every other wannabe celebrity gangster
It's a load of lies that the Krays never harmed normal working men, of course they did and its documented . And one of the twins beat up his wife regular so they hurt women too.
Too right. I hate bullies. They make me angry. I have never been bullied probably because at school I was fairly large , in sports teams etc which helps, but I along with others always stepped in if there was a hint. The next worst thing to a bully are the spineless people who sit back and let it happen to someone else.
Doing life at 35 years of age and NEVER EVER GETTING OUT … I know reggie did when he was Phuket but …. Is an absolute waste of a life … it is absolutely unbelievable. 35 is incredibly young . Behind bars for the rest of your life mixing with fellow criminals is drastic . I would rather do a shitty job in a factory .. paid a shit wage , look after my family as best I can and bring my kids up to the best of my ability . That’s the true meaning of being a male .
So if they hadn't they would have got probation for killing Cornell and Mcvitie? But you've got a point they probably would have been released before they served 30years whatever the judges recommendation I really don't think it was because anyone thought they would take over the underworld
Much less worse than the government that tell you what to do mate. Take your earnings and spend it on themselves tell me how they are different? Government commit extortion daily, lies, break there own laws, hide cheat kill I’d rather be dealing with guys like Ronnie and Richard sons than Government’s. Biggest and most powerful criminal syndicate on the planet
You means cruel DISPICABLE ANIMALS. Im sure not everyone was afraid of these Pretty boys (not so) and Id be more sure others just allowed them to live. WHY! do the media, producers, directors and writers put these people on a pedestal and hand them statues. When they were nothing but thugs and brutal ones at that. Freddie Starr got hounded, slated, branded and brought down by the media, yet nothing proven. Make me sick.
I’ve read Reggie repented in prison and became a very religious man. Maybe he saw finally he had lived a bad life. They may have been criminals but they still have a myth around them that’s interesting.
@@chiricahuaapache5132 I like your name. I live near the Chiricahua mountains in southwest New Mexico and Arizona. My great grandmother is half Apache and half German. She was beautiful, a couple of people drew her portrait.
The guy at the end on the table of 3 is the only one who said it like it is!! The others... seems like they are still living in the glamour of it ....def Maureen. That was all a bit sickening !! and shouldn't to be talked of with a smile if your truly remorseful of any involvement of those 2 during those times.
@@tonyhoodlass1846 Fundamentally they were a pair of bullying scumbags who wouldn’t have lasted 2 minutes in todays underground world. They were both extremely violent and very very thick!
Respect to you 💯 % you should be called a legend not the likes of these I'm a twin but I'm not bad like these pair iv had a good upbringing and I work with my twin and contribute to society aswell and I'm proud of that 😊
My Father in-law and family grew up with the Krays ..They told us a few stories.. Reggie sang Maggie underneath aunt Margarets window..My mother in law had the twin Pram from Mrs Kray.. While at school Ronnie was kicked out of a Saturday matinee,he returned and assaulted the cinema manager with a bike chain .Other tales while growing up
If Freddy hadn't been a gangster he would have been a great actor. That was his other calling, this is how he operated. He put people as ease like when he was a theif he was brezen he did things that was in your face normal. That's why people didn't think he was dangerous when in fact he was deadly. 😔
l,d say the Krays and the sickening legacy they left behind is a insult to your East London heritage . More fool you and others who admired and looked up to these sadistic psychopaths .
It didn't do Britain any favours when celebrities like Barbara Windsor would hang out with the Krays and tell people "they are alright, everyone in the east-end loved them", this silly woman did more than most to glamorise these two thugs.
People bought into their legend, especially as glamourised by the film. They were special because they were twin thugs which was more fascinating to outside world.
This video was so informative. The fact that they admitted the Kray's would've been killed had they not gone to prison when they did cause they were so out of control. They made a good movie about them "legend" but at the end of the day they were just two mentally unstable serial killers in the mob who were out of control and people still idolize them and glorify them it's pretty sad. People feared them more than they respected them back then but this goes to show you that nobody's untouchable because had they not been arrested for murder they would've been taken out themselves.
How strange is it that people accept serial killers because its hidden behind "organised crime" and even glamourised! Imagine bumping into Dahmer and being chuffed about it? People actually wanted to be around them though! Madness 💁♀️💁♀️
Sometimes the value of a life ain't much where greed and power is concerned . It's a fact of life this underbelly, in every country on this planet this happens . This kind of underbelly is at the bottom of the pecking order in business, a gray area for some, the reality, their there . At the top are royalty the rich the church land holders etc etc. Greed and power they take everything, because they can. They have the power behind them to take the most and they do. All the while us 95% get screwed. ✊
"Dinsdale was a smashing bloke, he used to give his mother flowers and so on as well as nailing peoples heads to the floor and occasionally screwing someone's pelvis to a cake stand, he was cruel but fair"
@@alphooey Spiny was 8-10 feet long from snout to tail however when Dinsdale was particularly depressed Spiny could be anywhere up to 800 yards in length (lol)
Interesting Albert Donohue thought Reggie could have been a champion boxer. Mickey Duff the leading promoter thought they were both crap fighters. And he knew.
Such was my adventurous life I met Reggie Kray in Soho & spent a very nice evening with Frankie Frazer boozing in the King's Arms, Fulham Road, 1962 & 1969.
The idea from back in the day of women, children and ordinary men are not to be harmed is far better than what’s going on today. There’s always going to be crime and criminals, at least back in those days innocent people were left alone.
If someone had asked me to look at these twins (I'm American) and tell me to guess what they did for a living, I'd say they were a tag team wrestling combination. Probably bad guys who were booed by the fans.
Good film for anyone who knows little about the Krays and is wanting to learn about them but it didn't tell me anything different from what I already know.
They’re horrible people but like, imagine coming out as a 304 from the 70s and still look like a 304 who lures young lads from the wood shop like, just come over and fix me shelves, lads, I got the kettle on and soon we’ll be right as lords innit😂😂😂
I never understood why Ronnie Kray was so upset at being called a fat poof by George Cornell. I mean, it's not like he was getting slandered. And of course, Ronnie sorted it out the only way he could - with a gun. Having already received a pasting from him, he knew he wouldn't be capable of teaching Cornell a lesson with his hands. Anyone who reveres the Kray twins are probably in need of psychotherapy themselves.
@@hotstepper887 No, probably not. Certainly not within earshot anyway because they were both psychotic vicious bastards. But don't take my word on it, even their acquaintances are saying this. It's in the documentary. And your mocking response to me is clear proof that you know it too. As for my original statement...all true.
@@teeteringonthebrink.305 Naivety, and propaganda, does strange things to people like you. Nobody has disputed that. I just pointed out the reality is, at that time, you'd have said nothing. Something you just admitted making my comment more relevant, and now proven.. Hot Stepper 1 hour ago As if you'd have said this while they were active? Hilarious. You should learn to comprehend the English language.
I’d say the krays. Richardsons were much more intelligent. But they hired people to do the damage. As with boxers etc more you fight better you get at it. So by what we know I’d say the krays
Not sure why these yobs were so glamorised and why almost everyone you meet claimed to have known them.Who would want to know a psychopath.If they came to Cape Town they wouldnt have lasted long.
I’m a man named Benjamin Forest Koontz I am on the house at 1310 Cincinnati St., Lafayette, IN I get full permission for anybody who can just truly trying to help aid in the rescue of innocent and willing to help save because I’m blind from whoever whatever drugging and Harming me
It’s so disturbing to think they were twins brothers and had an incestuous relationship with each other. They were evil and how anyone could look up to them is sick.
there's more frightened sick people around Bethnal now they were respected by the old EastEnders we weren't frightened to go out in the dark don't remember them mugging any old folk
you can see that becuase your not mentally insane and thus not wired up wrong but to those out their that are their respect such a person becuase their batting in the same ball park such a person doesnt have no moral compass the archons are running the show with these people their not in the driving seat
Let's remember they did bad things however they were right about Jim fix it back in the late 70ss and 80s how it was how he was alood to have the run off the place
Because it’s actually events that took place with people who were feared. Not like the media crap you see now, and all these “gangsters” we have in the uk these days. They had respect
@@tarhunta2111 explain? As been empty and finding a subject or documentary interesting and fascinating. Has absolutely relation to one an other. Think your probably the empty personality, not use who find it interesting, why were you looking at the comments if you weren’t watching the video? If your just trolling then your the sad empty soul, not us. So go back your room in time for mummy to bring your milk and cookies. And kiss you good night.
Maureen Flannigan sounds like she still thinks this was all glamorous.... Mmm🤔?? A bit more remorse wouldn't go a miss !! And stop tryina make violet sound normal!! She def wasn't a normal person never mind a normal mother !!
Freddie Forema's pub was just off the Borough High Street about two miles from st Mary's Church In Rotherhithe not quite round the corner but in the same Borough (Southwark)so Foreman would've bin the frame
Its very cowardly of their friends, at 40:10 in to start saying they were the worst people ever and they are glad they are dead. How about not taking part in the first place. Weak people trying to prove they are hard now.
@@peteconrad2077 Yes but doesn’t mean they had to get directly involved with them!! They did that to look cool and now regret it hence all the fake disapproval.
They kept the violence within the criminal world. Now people can’t leave their homes after dark. Back then if someone robbed a granny, they had to answer to them. Probably never robbed a granny again.
No they kept the streets clean they were hero's also. Now look at America every street corner there are criminals killing for a woman's handbag with a few dollars in it. You guys all know nothing they were okay guys that's why they were left alone. Now the FBI and others do the Criminal acts in government with people like the Clintons and Pelosi they are the new Mafia, President Trump is too clean for then, so between them they make shit up like Russia Russia Russia, and so called Russian Prostitutes being pissed on, for a germ freak that would not happen, the Capitol another set up, shooting a Military woman not even armed this was to try and prove the Military have Trump supporters. These were people set up by a gangster government. Pelosi's father was involved with gangsters. Not just having pictures at functions with them which happens, strangely enough gangsters do lots of Charity work, not like Biden importing Children run by traffickers, leaving many to die in the desert including women, and spreading COVID they are the criminals. And these guys cannot see this, Obama is the same. president Trump is too clean for them. This is why Epstein was killed he knew too much. Trump was never involved with such crap, I have met Trump many of my friends know him well, it is like they are talking about a different person. He packed the speaking tour out when he came to Australia, we love him here, there are always dim whited people who don't, only the weak listen to Pelosi and her henchmen they are getting rich on peoples stupidity. Biden did not win that was a stitch up.
My dad used to be incharge of the kitchen's etc at Blunderson prison for 36 years, I can't remember which one it was Reggie or Ronnie kray who was in the prison at that time, I'd always loved reading about criminal gangs and murders, I had a really heavy book on crime, it had the Kray story in the book...so I asked my dad if he would take the book in to work and get Ronnie or Reggie to sign my crime book.. I was gutted because he said NO....he said he's just a cleaner... his past has been over for a long time, my dad never spoke about him or anyone of the inmates...my dad has still got a painting done by I think it was the last person in England to be done for piracy...it is painted in purple and he used match sticks as paint brushes... it is just land Scape, I don't know if it was a personal place like home or just from his own home or what.... unfortunately Blunderson prison got knocked down a few years ago.... happy days living in quarters, or the estate was called the patch... going in the club house and getting a packet of crisps and a cresta drink of the ungodly amount for just 10p... money went a lot further then, unlike today.... good fun memories 😁😁😁💯🍒
Isnt part of being a criminal is about cunning, stealth, doing and seeing things on a need to know basis ?. Not shoving your 'boat race' in the social pages in the newspapers every 2 minutes ?
Rob that is how they failed in their game. I think a) they weren't bright enough to realise it and b) they were narcissistic and couldn't help themselves to avoid being on show, in the limelight, etc.
@@missmuffet3874 sadly they are celebrated by a very small minority . The Kray twins ruined many lives including my late grandfather Alexander Thomson's. My grandad is mentioned in Fred Foreman's book. He was a retired Police sergeant who helped the legal team of Brendan Quirke in Foreman's appeal. Had the Krays taken the deal offered my grandfather wouldnt have become involved in his work for a solicitor called Brendan Quirke. This work resulted in him and another retired policeman being charged with attempting to pervert the course of justice. a charge that was later dismissed. Going through the court process had a profound effect on my late grandfather. My Grandad was a pillar of his community in his 30 years in the Metropolitan Police. to me my Grandad was a marvellous role model , a true hero , a man of honour . Even Fred Foreman has called my grandad a man of honour. My Grandad never forgave the Police in particular Frank Cater for what he did to him. I have nothing but utter contempt for these 2 uneducated idiotic clowns. All because these 2 wouldnt take a deal with the CPS
My mum who was born in 1942 says she remembers being at the dance halls when the Kray twins would come in, they were like celebrities. You didn't approach them, you just stayed out of their way.
Ure mum was the local bike hahahahahahahahah I remember ure mum me n the lads all had a go
@@bhenchordsingh5028 I showed this to my grandad and even he said he remembered minkles mum. Haha
I remember those days. But I remember your mum even more
What a nonce document,dying Reggie dont have money for a room and Ronnie has funeral like queen?😂😂😂who paid that?
Your mum killed my uncle riding his face
I was living in Walthamstow when reg died and watching his procession past was like nothing I've seen before. I've had a slight obsession evil since of their story. LEGEND is fantastic
Uwotm8
Tom Hardy played them great in that movie!
What was the title of the movie please
Legend
@@danfosdyck2518 it’s called “legend”
He did
indeed
Tom Hardy played both the Kray twins and Charles Bronson. In fact, while Bronson was in a mental asylum, he met the twins and described them as “the nicest guys he ever met”.
True…. Look at parliament lmaoo
I have yet to see that movie. I heard that Tom Hardy was absolutely amazing as both Kray boys?!
@@coffeecrimegal5968 he, absolutely was! Played both of them in such a detailed and creative way my mum thought it was 2 different actors playing them! Brilliant performances 👌🏻👌🏻💯💫
Tom Hardy film was absolutely nothing like them.
Mug
It’s disturbing that people get such enjoyment from hurting others
Just look at our governments more frightening as it’s legal
@@David-uf8ex Your spot on, mate.
I don't condone what they did to people that was appalling.
But they were fascinating 🤔 because they their so famous for being identical twins 🙄
I enjoy following social history documentaries.
East end legends with a violent history. Admire them with reservations.
Post war Britain the East end was the worst hit if u can't have it u take it no coincidence that the greatest robberies carried out by east Londoners if u cant have it u take it
14:41 Dude, stop giving him beers…
I have not read all the comments.
At about 10:00 minutes into the video, there is a photograph of three persons with one of the Kray twins in the center. I notice in this image the woman to the right. She appears to be Christine Keeler, who, during the early 1960s, was involved in a relationship with John Profumo. At the time, John Profumo was married to Valerie Hobson, a British film star from the 1930s through the 1950s. Profumo was also Secretary of State for War, and the resultant scandal, thought to involve national security, was extensively covered by the press and forced Profumo's resignation.
They are said to have made more money from being inside prison with their business dealings than any amount they made outside .
Harry Grout wing ?
books and film rights you're correct
I grew up in Bethnal Green in the years following the Krays' incarceration, and I can confirm that in some quarters, they are still revered and considered heroes, rather than the bloodthirsty murderers they were
Wow, no thumbs up apart from 1...SHOCKING...
How many did these corner boys kill?
So many bars & restaurants in Chicago have framed photos of Al Capone on the wall, he's seen as a folk hero but he was a monster.
Well said 👏
Wow 😳
Cant believe how good Martin Kemp is at voice over work ..
he played one of the krays,I think Reggie
I was trtying to fugure out if it was him or Gary!
Yes, he is fantastic at talking
Yes have to agree instantly recognisable
@@ElmugreTV
Pity he couldn't sing or play an instrument.
I absolutely love the movie "Legend" about them & I've done some research on the twins but man! This is a great video!!
Its all codswallop worst cardboard criminal's in England
It's crap and it's depressing with boring morose music
@Public Nuisance I agree the movie gets too much praise . It was more like a tragic love story than a gangster film. If they had cut the wife out and made it all about the Krays crimes and violence it would have been a classic
you read wikipedia then
A paranoid schizophrenic walks into a bar...
And farts in someone’s face
Yeah we've seen the film
and says "Ouch" because it was an iron bar full of iron hoofs ?
Why are you always talking about me!
Thanks for this documentary.
Smith wasn't murdered he fled to Australia ,then came back to England he died in Luton in 2004
Like any criminals their time at the top never lasted forever. When you get involved in that lifestyle you never win , you either end up in prison or being killed by someone wanting your perch. I agree with Eddie Richardson , they would have flogged Ronnie and Reggie
Rob no one lasts for ever, none of us are here for ever. But America is going down hill fast you just kill each other in the thousands each weekend and these are ordinary people walking the streets because Democrats love it you have the biggest Gangster in America who set women up to make out they had sex with famous people, now their lawyer is in jail and Stormy owes President Trump a fortune. The Russian collusion and corruption all crap, Russian Prostitutes being peed on all made up crap, Hillary and her fake dossier more crap, the Capitol fake crap made up by Pelosi and the FBI. Strozk and lover working for the FBI betraying a President working in Taxpayers time trying to destroy him all those criminals are walking free. No government should be wasting tax payers money. Trump was a great guy to them when he was a democrat, soon as he became a Republican the knives came out. Like Oprah she used him on her shows people loved him but she is a democrat out came the knives when he became a Republican, Whoopie Goldberg was good friends with Trump but now he is a Republican she hates his guts and many other awful movie stars, look a Will Smith a complete fruit cake, Ricky Jervis took the piss out of all of you no one slapped him in the face, It took a black bloke to smack another black bloke in the face, just like BLM burnt down America killing and looting we Allies are not surprised they kill each other in the thousands in a month. Gradually America is falling apart with the help of the creatures of Hollywood. It's all a load of bollocks at the taxpayers expense. Trump was the best thing that happened to America look what you have now Biden. Allies are not happy.
Without a doubt. That punishment did go on, the Cat. Corprol punishment was evil. The poor were the whipping boy's for authorities, literally. From the polices, court's, prison, school's , the street's, home. Violence is part of survival when poor, then and now.
I wish documentaries would stop referring to O,Mahoney as former friend he never knew the twins before they went to jail
@@michaelharrison3602 you can still be mates in prison u know.
@@Dmc841 course you can but I don't think he was ever " in prison " with them he visited Reggie just like Courtney and every other wannabe celebrity gangster
Ron even had another patient dress up as his butler while in Broadmoor. That made me laugh when I heard that.
After serving tea the butler had to change into a french maid's outfit ..while smearing a handful of engine grease on his man hole! 😉
When I see people being harmed or in any kind of pain physical or emotional it hurts me in a way that’s hard to describe
Go watch disturbed reality channel
Dont watch them then its not as if ya didnt know they were slightly violent
Check out faces of death
It's a load of lies that the Krays never harmed normal working men, of course they did and its documented . And one of the twins beat up his wife regular so they hurt women too.
Too right. I hate bullies. They make me angry. I have never been bullied probably because at school I was fairly large , in sports teams etc which helps, but I along with others always stepped in if there was a hint. The next worst thing to a bully are the spineless people who sit back and let it happen to someone else.
Hamilton has claimed Ronnie burnt him with the pokers before now, on here he says he didn't
I don’t know why people glorify gangsters.
Doing life at 35 years of age and NEVER EVER GETTING OUT … I know reggie did when he was Phuket but ….
Is an absolute waste of a life … it is absolutely unbelievable.
35 is incredibly young . Behind bars for the rest of your life mixing with fellow criminals is drastic .
I would rather do a shitty job in a factory .. paid a shit wage , look after my family as best I can and bring my kids up to the best of my ability . That’s the true meaning of being a male .
That last bit, much love ❤️
you reap what you sow mate.. karma's a mean bitch ..bunch of shirt lifters anyway..
Absolute losers in my eyes
They chose to be assholes !
Basically they knew too much and the establishment couldn’t have them free to talk about what they knew.
Only reason the Krays were hunted and jailed is because they had loads of pictures of powerful people with kids.
Lol
No. They refused to pay off the OB
I doubt nipper was on the take though, doesn't seem the type, posh git for a copper
This is true and it was there way of getting off at the trial but Charlie accidentally burnt it
So if they hadn't they would have got probation for killing Cornell and Mcvitie? But you've got a point they probably would have been released before they served 30years whatever the judges recommendation I really don't think it was because anyone thought they would take over the underworld
come on here to watch ads but kept getting interrupted by a kray's documentary
If it weren't for The Kray twins existing, Eastenders would've never created and introduced Phil and Grant, AKA The Mitchell Brothers
Excellent documentary! First-class!
They were depraved, cruel and despicable criminals - nothing more nothing less.
Much less worse than the government that tell you what to do mate. Take your earnings and spend it on themselves tell me how they are different? Government commit extortion daily, lies, break there own laws, hide cheat kill I’d rather be dealing with guys like Ronnie and Richard sons than Government’s. Biggest and most powerful criminal syndicate on the planet
Yeh but what about Will?
To other gangsters. They were nice to civilians
You means cruel DISPICABLE ANIMALS. Im sure not everyone was afraid of these Pretty boys (not so) and Id be more sure others just allowed them to live. WHY! do the media, producers, directors and writers put these people on a pedestal and hand them statues. When they were nothing but thugs and brutal ones at that. Freddie Starr got hounded, slated, branded and brought down by the media, yet nothing proven. Make me sick.
@@tstuart7333 and they abuse little boys 🤮
I’ve read Reggie repented in prison and became a very religious man. Maybe he saw finally he had lived a bad life. They may have been criminals but they still have a myth around them that’s interesting.
Yes, but he had a penchant for young, blonde haired prisoners, effeminate ones.
I am interested in the myth. Can you recommend any reading or documentaries, thanks!
@@chiricahuaapache5132 I like your name. I live near the Chiricahua mountains in southwest New Mexico and Arizona. My great grandmother is half Apache and half German. She was beautiful, a couple of people drew her portrait.
Eddy Richardson , "me and my brother can beat you and your brother" , play ground talk from an old man.
they are all just school bullies who never grew up. Pathetic the lot of them. Glorified by media so the media can make money from it.
I know it is rather sad isn't it?
Me and my bruvva!!
Amazing how a washed up wannabe can still act like that . Shameful
I get they got to act tough. But Ron and Reg would have chewed them both up.
even with closed caption, its impossible to understand some of these old timers, great documentary though, love it
Interesting. I'm from Missouri and had no difficulty.
Martin Kemp as narrator was a great choice
nutters
Yeah, because spandau ballet are really 'gangster' aren't they lmfao.
I agree. Having played Reggie I guess he had quite an insight into the Krays.
@@pleasepermitmetospeakohgre1504 Didn't even look the part
You mean, Steve Owen? 😅
great documentary! real gonzo reporting! on the cusp
Kicked ten bells out of me, proper gentlemen they were!
The guy at the end on the table of 3 is the only one who said it like it is!! The others... seems like they are still living in the glamour of it ....def Maureen.
That was all a bit sickening !! and shouldn't to be talked of with a smile if your truly remorseful of any involvement of those 2 during those times.
Be quiet
@@paulanthony5274 you wouldn't say that to my face! So take your reply and apply to yourself ...
Totally agree
They had good in em
@@tonyhoodlass1846 Fundamentally they were a pair of bullying scumbags who wouldn’t have lasted 2 minutes in todays underground world. They were both extremely violent and very very thick!
No father authority in my children's house. As a single mum. Non ended badly. They contribute to society.
Respect to you 💯 % you should be called a legend not the likes of these I'm a twin but I'm not bad like these pair iv had a good upbringing and I work with my twin and contribute to society aswell and I'm proud of that 😊
@@robintaylor8450 🙌🙏💕
You could argue they contributed to society by keeping the streets safe
@@prochoicenotantivax119 spot on mate
@@robintaylor8450 the biggest villains are in parliament and your funding there lavish lifestyle are you still proud now
My Father in-law and family grew up with the Krays ..They told us a few stories.. Reggie sang Maggie underneath aunt Margarets window..My mother in law had the twin Pram from Mrs Kray.. While at school Ronnie was kicked out of a Saturday matinee,he returned and assaulted the cinema manager with a bike chain .Other tales while growing up
Cool story bro. You should talk to Netflix and see what they can offer you. Or you could talk to a printing firm and release a book of your memoirs
How young do you think the Kray brother started Buggaring eachother?
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Did he mention reggies noncing?
@Bob crude immature comment
If Freddy hadn't been a gangster he would have been a great actor. That was his other calling, this is how he operated. He put people as ease like when he was a theif he was brezen he did things that was in your face normal. That's why people didn't think he was dangerous when in fact he was deadly. 😔
His son became an actor.
His son played Jack brannings brother Derek branning .
So proud of my East London heritage. Grew up hearing stories about the Krays.
They were horrible
Imagine being proud of these scum bags.
Whoa you must have nothing going on in your life
l,d say the Krays and the sickening legacy they left behind is a insult to your East London heritage . More fool you and others who admired and looked up to these sadistic psychopaths .
Proud of my east London heritage aswell his not condoning there actions no more then Chicago or Americans did al capone come on people
It didn't do Britain any favours when celebrities like Barbara Windsor would hang out with the Krays and tell people "they are alright, everyone in the east-end loved them", this silly woman did more than most to glamorise these two thugs.
They weren’t so hard when Michael Gaughan and the IRA prisoners stood up against them for attacking Jamaican prisoners 🇮🇪🤝🇯🇲
Explain more
People bought into their legend, especially as glamourised by the film. They were special because they were twin thugs which was more fascinating to outside world.
6:32
He definitely didn't just drive them about. He's disagreeing with himself with his head.
Don't forget "The Piranah Brothers, Doug and Dinsdale" by Monty Python.
Spiny norman😂
Glad I’m not the only one. When they were younger my partner’s mates all called each other Dinsdale.
@@PeterSellers-yw9us😂😂
Flanagan is AMAZING she’s a really lovely kind generous lady who goes above and beyond with her kindness
Awesome 👏 documentary
This video was so informative. The fact that they admitted the Kray's would've been killed had they not gone to prison when they did cause they were so out of control. They made a good movie about them "legend" but at the end of the day they were just two mentally unstable serial killers in the mob who were out of control and people still idolize them and glorify them it's pretty sad. People feared them more than they respected them back then but this goes to show you that nobody's untouchable because had they not been arrested for murder they would've been taken out themselves.
How strange is it that people accept serial killers because its hidden behind "organised crime" and even glamourised! Imagine bumping into Dahmer and being chuffed about it? People actually wanted to be around them though! Madness 💁♀️💁♀️
I know...l can never understand the adoration
Glorifying killers?! Nope!
The Best part is at @49:46 Until @50:37
That Maureen Flanagan is still beautiful after all these years ...
Well presented docu.
Sometimes the value of a life ain't much where greed and power is concerned . It's a fact of life this underbelly, in every country on this planet this happens . This kind of underbelly is at the bottom of the pecking order in business, a gray area for some, the reality, their there . At the top are royalty the rich the church land holders etc etc. Greed and power they take everything, because they can. They have the power behind them to take the most and they do. All the while us 95% get screwed. ✊
Politicians are more ruthless than any gangsters
Yeah you're right.. If it's not gangsters or criminals taking from you then it's the government.. Greed and power.. Status!
"Dinsdale was a smashing bloke, he used to give his mother flowers and so on as well as nailing peoples heads to the floor and occasionally screwing someone's pelvis to a cake stand, he was cruel but fair"
“SPINY NORMAN”
@@alphooey Spiny was 8-10 feet long from snout to tail however when Dinsdale was particularly depressed Spiny could be anywhere up to 800 yards in length (lol)
@@robertzemko6590 I know and Spiny lived in an aircraft hanger at Luton airport
@@alphooey However Spiny was no match for Charles Paisley (the baby crusher)
@@robertzemko6590 😂
Interesting Albert Donohue thought Reggie could have been a champion boxer. Mickey Duff the leading promoter thought they were both crap fighters. And he knew.
This is my second documentary on the krays, definitely two sides, and this one tells the darker side
Such was my adventurous life I met Reggie Kray in Soho & spent a very nice evening with Frankie Frazer boozing in the King's Arms, Fulham Road, 1962 & 1969.
Of course you did. I bet they bought you groceries, and carried them home for you, too
The idea from back in the day of women, children and ordinary men are not to be harmed is far better than what’s going on today. There’s always going to be crime and criminals, at least back in those days innocent people were left alone.
If someone had asked me to look at these twins (I'm American) and tell me to guess what they did for a living, I'd say they were a tag team wrestling combination. Probably bad guys who were booed by the fans.
sorry what
@@Clipsviral1000 They look like a wrestling tag team.
@@mbp7060 Monty Python's Piranha Brothers sketch was based on the Krays.
@@geoffpoole483 Thanks, I'll check that out. Hopefully it's on RUclips.
8:54 An Englishman wearing an iron cross?! Tell us more gov😂
Nice job on this film. Top shelf
I remember Ronnies funeral procession going through Leyton, Bakers Arms. Was massive.
Sickening to see so many turning out to mourn two sadistic , psychopathic criminals as if they were heroes . Shows how stupid the public is .
@@clouddog2393 mostly curiosity brought so many people possibly. I was nipping out of work to go buy a drill bit and couldn't cross the road.
@@Richie_ Oi Oi a drill bit! We’re u doing a bit of torture! Know what I mean jellied eels don’t mind if I do son
@@machiavellian7490 what ever
Shared a cell with "Reg" for 2 years...I still have a sore arse to this day...Great times
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😆 🤣 😂
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Did he bend you up like a pretzel?
Straight up the Bakerloo line 😂
Damn they're whole population of men over there were switch hitters!! 😂
Good film for anyone who knows little about the Krays and is wanting to learn about them but it didn't tell me anything different from what I already know.
What we all believe we know
Did you know ronnie was a well know rapist of young men
@Brian Groogle most kids are doing that anyway
Well we didn’t know these ppl were planning on killing them
They’re horrible people but like, imagine coming out as a 304 from the 70s and still look like a 304 who lures young lads from the wood shop like, just come over and fix me shelves, lads, I got the kettle on and soon we’ll be right as lords innit😂😂😂
I never understood why Ronnie Kray was so upset at being called a fat poof by George Cornell. I mean, it's not like he was getting slandered.
And of course, Ronnie sorted it out the only way he could - with a gun. Having already received a pasting from him, he knew he wouldn't be capable of teaching Cornell a lesson with his hands.
Anyone who reveres the Kray twins are probably in need of psychotherapy themselves.
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As if you'd have said this while they were active? Hilarious.
@@hotstepper887 No, probably not. Certainly not within earshot anyway because they were both psychotic vicious bastards. But don't take my word on it, even their acquaintances are saying this. It's in the documentary. And your mocking response to me is clear proof that you know it too.
As for my original statement...all true.
@@teeteringonthebrink.305 Naivety, and propaganda, does strange things to people like you. Nobody has disputed that. I just pointed out the reality is, at that time, you'd have said nothing.
Something you just admitted making my comment more relevant, and now proven..
Hot Stepper
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As if you'd have said this while they were active? Hilarious.
You should learn to comprehend the English language.
@@teeteringonthebrink.305 At a guess, I'd have to believe you are, in fact, an American? That would explain the idiocy.
Missed out the boothby compensation funny part.
Boothby got £40k from the mirror, and an apology. Ronnie said thank you very much, we'll have that.😄
🤔 Who would have actually walked out of that cell though? The Richardson's or the Krays? Would love to hear people's opinions!!
I’d say the krays. Richardsons were much more intelligent. But they hired people to do the damage. As with boxers etc more you fight better you get at it. So by what we know I’d say the krays
Richardson’s were bigger men and very violent, Krays were probably better boxers especially Reggie. It’s a close one to call
The Richardsons would have flogged them . Eddie Richardson was and still is one hard bastard , the Krays stood no chance against him alone
@@robosborne5489 it would’ve been much closer than you think, twins have got powers that normal people don’t have. Noone ever got the better of them
@@ryanvranch770 Eddie Richardson was a professional boxer years before. He was also a big burly man. The Krays were five foot seven.
3:23... I shouldn't have laughed. But I did. They looked like cartoons haha
Not sure why these yobs were so glamorised and why almost everyone you meet claimed to have known them.Who would want to know a psychopath.If they came to Cape Town they wouldnt have lasted long.
Different story though. I’m Irish and know what you mean. But I’d be way way way worse if I lived in Cape Town too because
I’m a man named Benjamin Forest Koontz I am on the house at 1310 Cincinnati St., Lafayette, IN I get full permission for anybody who can just truly trying to help aid in the rescue of innocent and willing to help save because I’m blind from whoever whatever drugging and Harming me
It’s so disturbing to think they were twins brothers and had an incestuous relationship with each other. They were evil and how anyone could look up to them is sick.
that’s just a rumor lol
there's more frightened sick people around Bethnal now they were respected by the old EastEnders we weren't frightened to go out in the dark don't remember them mugging any old folk
I have read a lot about the Krays .Never that they were incestuous
you can see that becuase your not mentally insane and thus not wired up wrong
but to those out their that are their respect such a person becuase their batting in the same ball park such a person doesnt have no moral compass
the archons are running the show with these people their not in the driving seat
@@annieorourke4822 it’s an internet rumor that has no foundation at all, as far as I know.
Let's remember they did bad things however they were right about Jim fix it back in the late 70ss and 80s how it was how he was alood to have the run off the place
I like to be edgy and controversial so when I feel hard I drive my car at 35mph and give people waiting at the bus stop the finger
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Bus wank8rs!
Frank Fraser did not even meet the Kray Twins until they went to prison. Ronnie Kray would of love to get Hold of Frank Fraser
He’s a total liar you can tell he’s a Bluffer
Love the documentary. It's wayyyy better than the movie LEGEND.
Legend is depressing,everything about it,,I hate it. The Krays was better
@@paulanthony5274 I didn't like The Krays with the Kemp brothers but I loved Legend. Tom Hardy was fantastic.
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This is a very good documentary.
Is there anything left to be said about these goons!...Celebrity's my arse?!?!🤣
Reggie Kray and Ronnie Kray legends and may they rest in Peace
You don't want to get on the wrong side of the dangerous Kray twins, they didn't think twice if they wanted to kill or torture someone.
Great documentary, however the dubbing needs worked on more pre releasing.
Why is this stuff so fascinating?!?
Because it’s actually events that took place with people who were feared.
Not like the media crap you see now, and all these “gangsters” we have in the uk these days.
They had respect
Because people are empty.
@@tarhunta2111 explain? As been empty and finding a subject or documentary interesting and fascinating. Has absolutely relation to one an other.
Think your probably the empty personality, not use who find it interesting, why were you looking at the comments if you weren’t watching the video? If your just trolling then your the sad empty soul, not us.
So go back your room in time for mummy to bring your milk and cookies. And kiss you good night.
@@Blamejames78 lol!
For me, I just can't believe people do this stuff ,unimaginable..that's why it's interesting
Didn’t really expect to see old Georgie Cornell’s brains on the floor of the Blind Beggar Pub, Fancy a pint?
Mad Teddy Smith was MI5 all along, he relocated to Australia where he lived out his days.
My two favourite people of all time love the krays , repect guys
Von judge geezer is hilarious!!!🤣🤣🤣
2 minutes in and all i can hear is John Cleese "I walked out with Dinsdale on many occasions and found him to be a charming and erudite companion".
RIP Dave Courtney . who was Head of security for Ronnie's funeral and an associate of Charlie Kray .sadly died today . 22nd October 2023.
San La Muerte
I thought that Lenny had met the twins by stopping a copper from trying to arrest them.
Maureen Flannigan sounds like she still thinks this was all glamorous.... Mmm🤔?? A bit more remorse wouldn't go a miss !! And stop tryina make violet sound normal!! She def wasn't a normal person never mind a normal mother !!
Why should she be remorseful she didn't do anything wrong and London in the swinging sixties of course it was glamorous
Show some respect she was a mother doing her best with what she had in a time you clearly don't understand
Shame on you for this comment Petra , Violet was a beautiful kind person , it weren’t her fault how the twins behaved they were grown men.
Great doc..foreman seems a solid guy
I like Freddie Foreman too. There is no bullsh1t about him.
Foreman had more brains than the rest of them put together
Foreman was the hardest out of the lot of them
I like Freddie but I'm not sure about Bernard
Fame for being sadistic destructive evil monsters. Strange the people they appeal to.
Fatherlessness creates monsters.
43:45 seems like there were a lot of gay gangsters in England😂😂😂
I don't know why boxing is supposed to be useful in helping young men to keep away from crime, when most clubs are recruiting places for violent crime
Boxing
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxing
Unfortunately its difficult to understand half of what is said in the stories because of the accent.
Francis has got to be responsible for all her choices from being a gangsters girl/wife to taking her own life
Freddie Forema's pub was just off the Borough High Street about two miles from st Mary's Church In Rotherhithe not quite round the corner but in the same Borough (Southwark)so Foreman would've bin the frame
Their surname suits them Kray kray ” lol
Thats where the word comes from
Mad Teddy Smith died in Australia
Its very cowardly of their friends, at 40:10 in to start saying they were the worst people ever and they are glad they are dead. How about not taking part in the first place. Weak people trying to prove they are hard now.
They’re just speaking the truth.
@@peteconrad2077 Yes and it would have been even more ‘truthful’ of them saying it whilst the twins were alive and not killing people for them.
@@morganwhite2176 I’m sure even you can work out why they don’t.
@@peteconrad2077 Yes but doesn’t mean they had to get directly involved with them!! They did that to look cool and now regret it hence all the fake disapproval.
Why were they given such an ornate funeral how sad for anyone under British rule
They kept the violence within the criminal world. Now people can’t leave their homes after dark. Back then if someone robbed a granny, they had to answer to them. Probably never robbed a granny again.
No they kept the streets clean they were hero's also. Now look at America every street corner there are criminals killing for a woman's handbag with a few dollars in it. You guys all know nothing they were okay guys that's why they were left alone. Now the FBI and others do the Criminal acts in government with people like the Clintons and Pelosi they are the new Mafia, President Trump is too clean for then, so between them they make shit up like Russia Russia Russia, and so called Russian Prostitutes being pissed on, for a germ freak that would not happen, the Capitol another set up, shooting a Military woman not even armed this was to try and prove the Military have Trump supporters. These were people set up by a gangster government. Pelosi's father was involved with gangsters. Not just having pictures at functions with them which happens, strangely enough gangsters do lots of Charity work, not like Biden importing Children run by traffickers, leaving many to die in the desert including women, and spreading COVID they are the criminals. And these guys cannot see this, Obama is the same. president Trump is too clean for them. This is why Epstein was killed he knew too much. Trump was never involved with such crap, I have met Trump many of my friends know him well, it is like they are talking about a different person. He packed the speaking tour out when he came to Australia, we love him here, there are always dim whited people who don't, only the weak listen to Pelosi and her henchmen they are getting rich on peoples stupidity. Biden did not win that was a stitch up.
Wonderful had I been home in England I would have gone also they kept the bent evil people honest.
My dad used to be incharge of the kitchen's etc at Blunderson prison for 36 years, I can't remember which one it was Reggie or Ronnie kray who was in the prison at that time, I'd always loved reading about criminal gangs and murders, I had a really heavy book on crime, it had the Kray story in the book...so I asked my dad if he would take the book in to work and get Ronnie or Reggie to sign my crime book.. I was gutted because he said NO....he said he's just a cleaner... his past has been over for a long time, my dad never spoke about him or anyone of the inmates...my dad has still got a painting done by I think it was the last person in England to be done for piracy...it is painted in purple and he used match sticks as paint brushes... it is just land Scape, I don't know if it was a personal place like home or just from his own home or what.... unfortunately Blunderson prison got knocked down a few years ago.... happy days living in quarters, or the estate was called the patch... going in the club house and getting a packet of crisps and a cresta drink of the ungodly amount for just 10p... money went a lot further then, unlike today.... good fun memories 😁😁😁💯🍒
Isnt part of being a criminal is about cunning, stealth, doing and seeing things on a need to know basis ?. Not shoving your 'boat race' in the social pages in the newspapers every 2 minutes ?
Rob that is how they failed in their game. I think a) they weren't bright enough to realise it and b) they were narcissistic and couldn't help themselves to avoid being on show, in the limelight, etc.
@@missmuffet3874 sadly they are celebrated by a very small minority . The Kray twins ruined many lives including my late grandfather Alexander Thomson's. My grandad is mentioned in Fred Foreman's book. He was a retired Police sergeant who helped the legal team of Brendan Quirke in Foreman's appeal. Had the Krays taken the deal offered my grandfather wouldnt have become involved in his work for a solicitor called Brendan Quirke. This work resulted in him and another retired policeman being charged with attempting to pervert the course of justice. a charge that was later dismissed. Going through the court process had a profound effect on my late grandfather. My Grandad was a pillar of his community in his 30 years in the Metropolitan Police. to me my Grandad was a marvellous role model , a true hero , a man of honour . Even Fred Foreman has called my grandad a man of honour. My Grandad never forgave the Police in particular Frank Cater for what he did to him. I have nothing but utter contempt for these 2 uneducated idiotic clowns. All because these 2 wouldnt take a deal with the CPS
Just look at daniel kinahan now its a flaw that some seem to have
yes the best criminals never get caught period